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Charrbane · Aug 01, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aracos79

That being said, I agree that lvl 20 henchmen should be available to take into the UW/FoW. Not all of us have large, active guilds that can put together 8-man FoW groups on a moments notice.

I haven't made it as far as UW/FoW and if I can't go in there with henchies or a combo of a couple guys + henchies then I might as well not even look forward to that part of the game. Meh. :/

GW Monkey · Aug 01, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

No. Hell no. Hell <bleep!> no!

You will interact with your fellow players. This is Guild Wars. If you only want to play with computer-controlled teammates against computer-controlled opponents, I'd like to take this opportunity to explain to you: you bought the wrong game. You might consider a single-player, non-networked game like Morrowind. You'll probably be happier for it.

Of course there are jerks. There are jerks everywhere. And since we're living in countries where we're well-fed and feel safe and are RICH enough to waste hour after hour playing a computer game, we also can't drag the stupid people into the street and shoot them in the head. It's a trade-off. Some parts of modern Western civilization defy understanding, anyway.

Communicate! When you find people you get along with, who have the same game goals as you - Friend them. Go out of your way to keep track of them, what they're doing, how they're progressing. It's a social game.

Does it get on your nerves to say "hi" 100 times a day when guildies or friends greet you or the guild channel? Wrong answer. Does it really annoy you to be farming solo and have to drop what you're doing to help a guildie get through a PvE mission you've beaten 8 times before, the last time only 20 minutes ago? Wrong answer. Do you turn down requests to join the Tombs squad forming with your guildmates to continue a PvE map of PuGs that you have a good feeling isn't going to make it anyway? Wrong answer.

See where this is going?

You really need to put some time and effort into this, and find friends and/or a guild that plays the way you want to. Don't like helping? Don't! But don't join a guild that is based on helping others! Don't PvP ever? (Well you suck and I hate you.) Then don't join a PvP/GvG heavy guild.

I for one would love hench for UW, and not because I can't get a team. (I turn down join requests every day as every class. Am I that good? No. I communicate.) No, the reason I would love hench for UW is I could clear it a few times and be done with it. Even if you have good people, rarely does anyone have the time to do it all. I mean everything. If you can do it in under 5 hours you must be devs. With hench, I could leave the game running and depart. Come back and pick up where I left off. Try that with 7 human teammates. (you can actually, it is done with those that play on a schedule.)

But no. I'll forego this because in the end, it will hurt us all. More anti-social types. More "STFU NOOB JUST DO IT WIT DA HENCH!" attitude that GW really really doesn't need.

NO HENCH IN THE UNDERWORLD!!
(I'd make up e-bumperstickers if we could .sig)

PS: Any team that doesn't want a Necro or a Mesmer on it for UW is probably not a team worth being on. If they want to field the "noob blueplate special" 3E / 2W / 2Mo / 1R they're going to be moving pretty slowly anyway. In 3 hours they probably won't make the Bone Pit. All that standing around waiting to regen, all that beating down mobs when they're at full strength and ability. But again this post is about how to avoid stupid people. Plenty of us love Mes and N on the team.

Prince_Ayreon · Aug 01, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

If I had any experience in FoW or UW, I would start my own groups of ONLY Mesmers, Necros and Rangers with (if we could) Stefan, Little Thom and Lina to round it out.

Hey, don't forget about me! I have given up on FoW until I can find a group who won't start trashing me for my inexperience

I don't know how people expect you to get any better when they leave the moment things get hairy -sigh-

Acan Vishnu · Aug 01, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

It'd be a nice thing to have available, but I don't see it happening... even if they could make it so that level 20 henchmen are only available to go into the UW and FoW.

I'd think that you would be better off just finding some people who are willing to go with you, rather than hoping for a change that will probably never be implemented. There are a few people right here in this thread, and if you'd like I'd happily go with you all regardless of your classes or how much experience you have there. If anyone is on at the same time as me and America has favor, give me a yell. It would be my pleasure to show you around

Aniewiel · Aug 01, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

My problem with all this, and believe me, I've LONG since given up ever seeing the UW or FoW, is that I have fairly limited playing time. With a fulltime job, a house to maintain, meals to cook AND a 3 year old to keep safe, I don't have the luxury to sit around for 2 hours hoping someone will deign to invite me into their group. When I have 2-3 hours to play, I -need- to be able to hop into a group (as I can anywhere else in the bloody game) and get going! I am not a group ditcher and if I stand topside for an hour and a half that only leaves me a half hour down under. I won't do it to a group.

The FoW and UW should NOT be punative to those with limited game time nor should it be dependent on favor. Probably a lot of the elitist attitudes out there would be erased if it just remained open all the time.

And GW_Monkey? I have a lot of friends, friendly folk with whom I game all the time. I talk incessantly but our game times do not always mesh. I am friendly and open when I'm trying to get into a PUG but I NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, get chosen. Why is that MY fault? You make it sound as if people who don't play the Holy Trinity of classes (M,W,E) need to get out and make friends. Got news for you: I have lots but schedules don't always coincide.

MithranArkanere · Nov 17, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Well, first of all, realms of the gods are not place for henchmen, heroes maybe, but not henchmen.

Second, it is true that all Prophecies Henchmen are deleveled compared to the other two campaings.

In Cantha the level of henchmen matches the enemies in explorable areas, in nightfall it's the same. But in prophecies you get a lvl 17 hench party when fighting with groups of more than 6 over level 20 enemies in cristal desert.

If you make all the quest (as you should do) and missions, you get there always at level 20.

Henchmen in the temple of Ages are ok, you can take them all, or 5 plus 3 lvl 20 heroes.

But not in many other places, they are most of the time 1-3 levesl under the level they should have compared to the other campaings.

Carth` · Nov 17, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Why don't you just come out and say it: Make Guild Wars a single player game.

Every single suggestion these days is to remove interaction and favour doing everything by yourself with the AI.

Btw, my last 10 trips to FoW all had a mesmer in the party. And forming a group took around 5 mins. The reason mesmers don't get in a party? They are all moping around complaing "ohhhhh I'll never get in a party". Have you ever tried? I've seen people saying "lf 1 mesmer to complete forgemaster group". There were no mesmers around.

Mr. G · Nov 17, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Necro alert...this is a pointles thread res'd for no reason - close please

Age · Nov 17, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

No here as well as it is best to learn how to party together and some of the pvp guilds come here for a break from pvping.It is the only real place pvp guild goes to anyway parting is better and I have been down to the UW since the ascended patch came out.I did go down there at lvl16 and did a good jop of healing.You can do 20 min runs down there although you don't get much drop rate would be better for glops and shards.I would go even further and say no to heros.

exiled mat · Nov 17, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I like the idea, but i say no, because 1 hench can ruin everything with a suicidal agro (even with a flag enabled)

Addone_Abaddon · Nov 17, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

can heroes come to UW or FoW?

Also, do warriors still get rejected from ToPK parties?

ibex333 · Apr 23, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW Monkey

No. Hell no. Hell <bleep!> no!

You will interact with your fellow players. This is Guild Wars. If you only want to play with computer-controlled teammates against computer-controlled opponents, I'd like to take this opportunity to explain to you: you bought the wrong game. You might consider a single-player, non-networked game like Morrowind. You'll probably be happier for it. (Who are you to tell him what he should or shouldn't buy/do? No, seriously!)

Of course there are jerks. There are jerks everywhere.(and you are one of them. If you weren't you wouldn't say this nonesesce) And since we're living in countries where we're well-fed and feel safe and are RICH enough to waste hour after hour playing a computer game, we also can't drag the stupid people into the street and shoot them in the head. It's a trade-off. -->> (SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, I'm glad you are rich, well fed and you have lots of time.) Some parts of modern Western civilization defy understanding, anyway.

Communicate! When you find people you get along with, who have the same game goals as you - Friend them. Go out of your way to keep track of them, what they're doing, how they're progressing. It's a social game.

Does it get on your nerves to say "hi" 100 times a day when guildies or friends greet you or the guild channel? Wrong answer. Does it really annoy you to be farming solo and have to drop what you're doing to help a guildie get through a PvE mission you've beaten 8 times before, the last time only 20 minutes ago? Wrong answer. Do you turn down requests to join the Tombs squad forming with your guildmates to continue a PvE map of PuGs that you have a good feeling isn't going to make it anyway? Wrong answer.

See where this is going?

You really need to put some time and effort into this, and find friends and/or a guild that plays the way you want to. Don't like helping? Don't! But don't join a guild that is based on helping others! Don't PvP ever? (Well you suck and I hate you.(yeah now that's something an intelligent and friendly person would say...*sarcasm*) Then don't join a PvP/GvG heavy guild.

I for one would love hench for UW, and not because I can't get a team. (I turn down join requests every day as every class. Am I that good? No. I communicate.) No, the reason I would love hench for UW is I could clear it a few times and be done with it. Even if you have good people, rarely does anyone have the time to do it all. I mean everything. If you can do it in under 5 hours you must be devs. With hench, I could leave the game running and depart. Come back and pick up where I left off. Try that with 7 human teammates. (you can actually, it is done with those that play on a schedule.)

But no. I'll forego this because in the end, it will hurt us all. More anti-social types. More "STFU NOOB JUST DO IT WIT DA HENCH!" attitude that GW really really doesn't need. (well, unless something is done about it, some people will have to hench. No one uses a search mode, and it is still hard to assemble a compitent team)

NO HENCH IN THE UNDERWORLD!!
(I'd make up e-bumperstickers if we could .sig)

PS: Any team that doesn't want a Necro or a Mesmer on it for UW is probably not a team worth being on. If they want to field the "noob blueplate special" 3E / 2W / 2Mo / 1R they're going to be moving pretty slowly anyway. In 3 hours they probably won't make the Bone Pit. All that standing around waiting to regen, all that beating down mobs when they're at full strength and ability. But again this post is about how to avoid stupid people. Plenty of us love Mes and N on the team.

So after reading all this gibberish, I still cant understand why you are RIGHT and the OP is WRONG. What is it that proves that you have a better perspective on these things than he does? All that you just said is just YOUR opinion, and each of us is entitled to it. However, the way you put it, it is like your point of view is the ONLY point of view. And that, pisses me off.

Yes, this IS Guild Wars, but I believe that the name applies to PvP mainly, and NOT PvE. In PvE, there's no reason why someone can hench every single place in the game. Sure it should be harder, and playing in a team should be incouraged, but loners shouldnt be left out, especially out of PvE. They should at least have a CHANCE, and that chance is the leveled henchies.

It is clear, that you really don't give a damn about people who don't have good friends in GW and are not members of a good, prominent guild. It seems that your reply to those people would be a "Go Cry".
Well, Anet is not you. They care, and they showed it on many occasions. This is why people like OP and me, will continue to ask Anet to give loners a chance to hench UW, FoW, and Hard Mode.

You don't like our idea? Don't hench anything! Play the game with your leet guild/friends, and have a good life. (My two cents)

Oh, and /SIGNED off course.

bhavv · Apr 23, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Just do UW/FoW from Chantry of Secrets or Zin Ku instead, theres much better hench to choose from there.

haggus71 · Jul 14, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

/signed

It would be a great idea even for guild groups, because you hardly ever have enough together, at the same time, to do UW/FoW. It would give them the option, if they want to do all of FoW, to not have a PuG cop out after getting his 1337 drops 30 min into the game.

The good thing Anet did with the game is it appeals to a variety of people. If they listened to ppl like GW_Monkey all the time, they would be a one-share. They appeal to the socialite, the grinder and the loner, and do a good job of balancing the three. Giving a lvl20 hench option in UW/FoW would just be giving another part of the game what they always strive for: balance.

MithranArkanere · Jul 14, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Aw... henchmen in tyria should have been at level 20 from there, and level 15 from Lion's Arch...

It's never too late to make some changes.

Age · Jul 14, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

This would cause rift between those that are ascended and those that aren't as their argument is if you can take Henchies down who in fact aren't ascended why can't I go down.That is what the argument will be as I made the same one when the ascension patch was applied.Most of the players there are forming farming parties anyway 2man -4 man 1/2 an hour doesn't give you enough time to spent down there as smite run is about the same.

Hyper Cutter · Jul 14, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Lagg

and low level players could hire them to complete Krytan quests more easily (The Villainy Galrath, for example).

I don't think making the henchies at ToA level 20 would be game-breaking for Krytan quests or anything. No moreso than leaving the place with a full 8-man party in a six-man party area already is, anyway...

pumpkin pie · Jul 24, 2007, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Yes to this, simply because I want to go FOW/UW with heroes and henchmen and not with other players.

MithranArkanere · Jul 24, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Well.

There are two palces you usually go to from there:
Galrath's Quests.
Kryta Titan quest.

Both of them are a pain with the level 15 henchmen.